Study and Faith, 5: Book of Mormon Historicity

By August 13, 2024

So as part of this larger series (1, 2, 3, 4) I started a while back on this blog about what I see as scholarly principles, I was thinking of eventually getting to the question of the Book of Mormon’s historicity.

Often when dealing with religious history, there is a (debated) school of thought that scholars should bracket out supernatural truth claims. But as often noted, the Book of Mormon isn’t wholly transcendent: Smith claimed it came from a a physical object that a handful of people claimed to have seen and touched, and Smith said it was the source of a translation claiming to be about ancient history in the Americas.

Both such claims (plates and historical record) are intrusions from the purely transcendent in the physical world, and both of these intrusions do allow for historical examination.

Old texts, even translations, are found all the time, and get determined to be either authentic[1], or forgeries. Some are still still debated. I can’t think of anything as long as the Book of Mormon, and the text also adds several other highly unusual elements: angels and the original record supernaturally disappearing.

Here I would like to propose a thought experiment of what one might think either who’s outside the Mormon faith or how we might view a similar hypothetical claim made elsewhere.

If a person had a claim of getting a record of a lost civilization in another place and the record had disappeared and only we had the translation, I’m guessing we’d all want to know what the experts said about the existence of that claimed lost civilization.

As it stands, only experts within the faith accept the claim, and not many even within the faith. About 20 years ago, multiple anthropology grad students in my ward at BYU informed me that the vast consensus among BYU’s Mesoamericanists was the BoM absolutely did not take place in Mesoamerica.

I found that a little disconcerting since I still believed in BoM historicity, and said to the guy, “What? Where do they think it happened?” and he said, “They don’t know but are certain it’s not in Mesoamerica. They find John Sorenson wholly unconvincing.”

And though other places have been proposed as the Book of Mormon site, none by any scholars with any expertise in those proposed places.

I’m guessing if we heard that was the dominant opinion even within the hypothetical religion at the religion’s university, we’d assume that evidence for the civilization was severely lacking.

I’m guessing that if the record claimed to be from a pre-exilic Jewish people and if the person who claimed to translate the record was completely immersed in a biblical culture (like Joseph Smith was) then we wouldn’t find claims to Hebraisms in his English translation very convincing of the texts authenticity if the translation was absolutely chuck full of biblical quotations and allusions like the Book of Mormon is.

That is, if a defender of that hypothetical text were to say, “it’s authentic because of having things that matched the biblical world,” I think we would say, “clearly the text borrowed heavily from the Bible, but that’s not the issue at hand. The question is, is there evidence that the civilization it described existed? Is there any evidence of pre-exilic Jews having sailed/moved to and established a large civilization in the place the translator said they did?”

I’m guessing that claims of the text’s complexity, or the translator’s ignorance, or the speed by which the translator produced the text wouldn’t matter to us much either. “That’s all fine and good,” I think we’d say, “but is there any evidence that the civilization the text describes actually existed?”

Again I think we would find the lack of experts claiming that the civilization existed to suggest a problem with the translation’s claim that it did.

Now of course, John Sorenson, who died a few years ago, did have a PhD in the topic [oops, not a PhD on Mesoamerica, but Mark Wright does]. But I think we’d find a situation similar to Sorenson’s problematic in the hypothetical situation I proposed: one of very few experts even within the faith and employed by the religion. Sorenson did indeed have expertise, but I think we’d be concerned about the method he used if applied to the hypothetical situation: basically, “we know by faith and religious commitment that the text happened. So let’s figure out where?”

As a number of critics of Sorenson have pointed out for decades, this is not the kind of open-minded approach that scholars ought to have. As many have noted, starting from the proposition of “x must be true because of my religious beliefs,” is a problematic starting point. A more scholarly approach would have been to be open to the possibility that the text was not historical, which Sorenson does not entertain. I’m guessing that we wouldn’t find such “scholarship” from a scholar who took that approach in the hypothetical situation very convincing.

And I would argue that such an approach did indeed lead Sorenson and others who followed him to very problematic claims. I suppose it was Sorenson who proposed (or at least popularized) the claim that the Nephites arrived in a land full of other people and simply called all the others Lamanites.

This brings up a kind of apologia which I would call massively twisting the text. The Nephites make no such claim and make it pretty clear that even centuries later, the Lamanites claimed they had a shared heritage with then Nephites. Sometime between 187 to 160 BC, around 400 years after the Lehi landed, Zeniff reports in Mosiah 10:12-16 that that Lamanites said they came from Jerusalem. I’m aware of no situation like the one Sorenson proposed: a text claiming a group arriving in a new place with no mention of people already being there even when lots were, and claiming that all the others were really their apostate brethren, and claiming that the others claimed they WERE their apostate brethren.

No text does that, and I can’t imagine why one would other than it being a product of someone trying to force the text he believed religiously into “somewhere.” If the hypothetical scholar engaged in such forcing of the text in the scenarios I proposed, such claims would not elicit much confidence.

And having dabbled a little bit in some anthropological/archeological claims, my understanding is that the Nephite civilization that the Book of Mormon describes would leave behind a significant archeological record. Getting some basics from David W. Anthony’s The Horse, the Wheel, and Language, he points out that it’s pretty clear in the archeological record when a new people move into an area. The Nephites came from a very different place and engaged in much more extensive building than the civilizations that Anthony describes. Yet Anthony found tons about the groups he studies, and we have a very significant archeological record in the Americas at the proposed time of the Nephites. But no Nephites.

Even if a group gets wiped out like what the book says the Lamanites do to the Nephites, the wiped-out culture leaves a ton behind, including the groups in Anthony’s book (called collectively “Old Europe.”) Same with the destroyed Harappans and Minoans who left behind a very rich archeology including a lot of writing we cannot read.

If the Nephites existed for so long and at the extent described, we’d have evidence.

The fact that the Book of Mormon instead matches claims contemporary to Joseph Smith about ancient Native history that was overturned long ago, would seem an indication of the Book of Mormon fitting Smith’s worldview, rather than the actual history we now know.

And this seems worth pointing out. And yes, one can make adjustments to one’s beliefs.


[1] Authentic in the sense that it’s deemed a translation of an older text dating to the first millennium CE. It’s not believed to actually be writings of Enoch. In other words it’s an actual translation of an older document.

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  1. I guess if one tries to view everything through the secular lens then of course, no evidence will ever do. Why, because first and foremost, secular science automatically and categorically deny the Creator.

    Dating methods are flawed, the secular methodology is baseless and flawed at its core starting with the refutation of the Creator in favor of the big bang and evolution of species.

    And why just focus on meso-america? Cause this is where scholarly consensus says it happened? Preposterous! Thus is why scholarly secularism doesnt do ir gor me. They rely on the same science that orefers a worldview void of Jesus Christ and the creation.

    Comment by Kibs — August 13, 2024 @ 3:48 pm

  2. This is a Mormon history blog, so scholarly understandings of things is the point here. So I’ll respond to you on the other blog.

    Comment by Steve Fleming — August 13, 2024 @ 8:53 pm

  3. Sorry, forgot a couple of issues of apologia that I didn’t run through my scenario:

    In the hypothetical situation, if a few close associates of the translator claimed they saw the original record, but that record then supernaturally disappeared, I’m guessing most of us would see the record’s disappearance as much more significant than the few people’s testimony. Where did the record go and why? Being able to examine the record would be useful.

    And I don’t think we’d find similarities of general traits of civilization to ancient civilization convincing either: buildings, roads, war, etc. It would be the specific traits that would matter. A basic summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronisms_in_the_Book_of_Mormon

    Comment by Steve Fleming — August 14, 2024 @ 10:02 am

  4. Jonathan (from the other post) yes, Lehi came with a small group, but the BoM says they grew large and built a lot of stuff. That’s what would leave the archeological record. The thousand year history.

    And the Nephites don’t run into the Mulekites and Jeredites for over three hundred years after their arrival (Omni 14-16, and also claim not to be indigenous. Why if they were?) The Nephites certainly would have run into the indigenous population long before 300 years. Probably rather quickly.

    Comment by Steve Fleming — August 14, 2024 @ 10:07 am

  5. I find that the evidence of ancient culture matching the plausibility of the Nephites rather convincing. Mainstream LDS scholars are just looking on the wrong continent.
    From logic and reading the text of the Book of Mormon, the areas of geography were vastly greater than most scholars within our religions agree. I personally find it mind baffling to see these scholars still insisting for a strictly meso-american setting for the main geographical setting of the general civilization of the Nephite and Lamanite stories from within the book.

    Comment by Kibs — August 15, 2024 @ 6:41 am

  6. I have always understood the key to issues with Nephite archeology to be language. Besides the fact that there is vastly more to Mesoamerican history than scholars have yet found, let alone imagined (see the book “1491: America Before Columbus”), the records that we DO have, as you point out in your own blog post, are in many ways incomprehensible. Much that is known about the Mayans and Incas, for example, comes from records kept by European Conquerors, taken many times from oral histories told to them by the natives. The actual reason for the existence of Machu Picchu is even still a mystery, because no one was left to say. Yes I know, I am conflating different civilizations, but that is kind of the point–most of the history of the Americas is unknowable, because aside from inferences from hieroglyphics, there is simply no way to read the records left behind.

    As to “Why no Nephites?” this is where I say, how do you know there aren’t any? My own son is named Daniel, but his Chinese name, given by his mother as she held him in her arms, is Xiǎo chóngzi. Would you be able to identify that correlation if no one told you? I wouldn’t. Jesus in English is Jesus in Spanish, but the Hebrew vs. Greek translations make the “Jesus” of the New Testament read as “Joshua” in the old (talking names, not individuals). “Messiah” in the Old Testament is “Christ” in the New. And so on.

    You have pointed out that many histories in Mesoamerica are unreadable, but if they were, how could we even know they were referring to Nephites–an English translation of “Reformed Egyptian,” trying to be read in an Incan, Mayan, Olmec or other text? This is the main reason why the best scholarship in Book of Mormon lands (the Nephi chapters that take place in the Middle East have their own scholarship) relies on parallels. (And personally, I see more parallels in North American civilizations than South American, anyway.)

    Just a thought.

    Comment by Eric — September 12, 2024 @ 11:37 am

  7. Large civilizations leave behind evidence of their existence. For instance, I just read that scholars estimate the kingdom of Judah to have been around 110,000 people at the time of the Babylonian conquest, considerably smaller than what the Book of Mormon said the Nephite civilization was at the time of their destruction. And we have lots of evidence for their being a kingdom of Judah 586 BCE, but no evidence for a civilization like the Book of Mormon describes.

    Comment by Steve Fleming — September 12, 2024 @ 8:51 pm


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