The University of the City of Nauvoo

By July 22, 2008

The Mormon Church has always placed an emphasis on education: the Kirtland School of the Elders, the School of the Prophets, the Hebrew School, etc. This idea continued into Nauvoo, where, as part of the Nauvoo Charter, they founded the University of the City of Nauvoo. This institution was fairly functional until the Saints migrated West, whereupon it obviously became dormant.

While the history of this early University deserves attention, this post focuses on this University’s future. I was made aware this morning of a proposed Nauvoo University currently in the process of organization. On its welcome page, it gives the following information:

This university is being reorganized and reincorporated as a non-profit corporation under the laws of the State of Illinois. It has been known as the “University of the City of Nauvoo”, the “University of Nauvoo”, but will be incorporated as ‘Nauvoo University’. The University is also applying for 501(c)3 status from the federal government.

Joseph Smith stated that the purpose of the University of Nauvoo is to “enable us to teach our children wisdom — to instruct them in all knowledge, and learning, in the Arts, Sciences and Learned Professions. We hope to make this institution one of the great lights of the world, and by and through it, to diffuse that kind of knowledge which will be of practical utility, and for the public good, and also for private and individual happiness.” The reorganized Nauvoo University will use this prophetic pronouncement as its mission statement.

The governing body of Nauvoo University will be a Board of Trustees. This Board is being reorganized and has started a campaign to raise funds for, and solicit support of, the University. Donations of real estate, endowment funds for buildings and scholarships, and assistance in the organization and establishment of the university are needed.

We plan to have a freshmen class of 50 students here by the fall of 2009 along with 20 faculty, administrative, and staff people. We are looking for faculty and students who have a pioneering spirit and who will leave an lasting imprint on this new institution.

As one who has studied in Nauvoo (I had the privilege of taking part in the “Semester in Nauvoo” program that BYU used to offer), I was at once excited about this prospect. Dr. Evan Ivie, the brain behind this University project, was the director of the program, so I know him well and have great respect for him. It seems that since BYU ended the program in Winter 2006, he has been working feverishly to get some type of replacement. While his top priority seemed to do something in conjuction with a Church-sponsored school, he recently became aware that that would not be possible in the near future. So, he has turned his attention to this new endeavor which he had been working on as another possibility.

There are several things about their early development that impress me, as well as several things that give me pause. What gives me the most hope is that I thoroughly trust and respect the man behind the movement. Dr. Ivie is an outstanding scholar and gentleman with no shortage of experience (his bio is found here), and I can assure you he has done his homework for this. What also gives me hope is my recent trip out to Southern Virginia University for a conference which gave me the exposure to another Mormon liberal-arts school, which I was much impressed in. I know that Ivie has been in touch with SVU, so I hope some of their early success will be enjoyed by Nauvoo University as well.

Several things, however, have me worried. First is the obvious concern of bringing in faculty and students. Is there enough interest for this vision to see the light of day? Will respectable professors or young graduates have the courage to invest in this adventurous experiment?[1] Also, what will they do about physical facilities? SVU was able to inherit an already-existing campus to grow with. Nauvoo currently has nothing; they used to have the Joseph Smith Acadamy, but that is now torn down. Their website says that they will use “existing facilities” while aiming to “start a building program as soon as possible,” but I have no idea what these “existing facilities” are.

Frankly, I am excited and intrigued about this project and I hope to see it succeed in a respectable way. While my co-blogger Jared and I were discussing it this morning, he commented that it appears quite “audacious,” and I heartily agree. I hope this will succeed in fulfilling Joseph Smith’s dream of having a University in Nauvoo.

What say ye?


[1] Possibly one of the most alarming things to me, as well as I imagine for you, is the meager list of current faculty which includes the name of one professor who shall not be named but who doesn’t have the best reputation among historians and scholars. I hope her inclusion is just a result of a “taking what we can get” attitude at the moment, and that other qualified professors will soon be added. As far as I know, this thing has only gone public in the last week, so it will be interesting to see how it develops and whether they will be able to attract good professors. Since I know Dr. Ivie, I trust that he will bring in scholarly members to his faculty. You could say I have a “cautious optomism” about its prospects.

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  1. Great post, Ben. As we’ve been discussing it this morning, I’m getting more and more interested in how this is going to play out.

    Comment by Jared T — July 22, 2008 @ 11:25 am

  2. What say ye?

    Um, I say, “whoa.” It’s hard for me to imagine any student wanting to get a degree from Nauvoo University. There is a big difference between going to Nauvoo for a semester, and then returning to BYU and going to Nauvoo for 4-5 years and leaving with a degree from a school no one has ever heard of.

    I guess you could say I have a “cautious skepticism” about its prospects.

    Comment by Christopher — July 22, 2008 @ 11:42 am

  3. There is a big difference between going to Nauvoo for a semester, and then returning to BYU and going to Nauvoo for 4-5 years and leaving with a degree from a school no one has ever heard of.

    True, but you could say the same about Southern Virginia University and other smaller 4 year programs. Your “cautious skepticism” is very understandable, and it is very possible that it will not work, but just because it is not known does not mean it will not work. Many other colleges and universities have found their way around it.

    Comment by Ben — July 22, 2008 @ 11:50 am

  4. Ben, they are two different situations. SVU took over an existing college campus, and was funded by a number of well-to-do Latter-day Saints. Even with those private donations, tuition is only now beginning to drop to levels affordable for more that the children of well-off East Coasters.

    Where in Nauvoo is there even room for a college campus (even if it is a small campus)? How are they going to fund it? The idea seems fine, I suppose, but classes starting by Fall ’09 sounds absurd. I would rather see additional resources being pumped into SVU than yet another private, Mormon liberal arts college being started.

    Comment by Christopher — July 22, 2008 @ 11:58 am

  5. Your points are well taken, Chris. While I disagree, they are important criticisms that i hope they are dealing with. That is why I am interested in seeing how this all turns out.

    Comment by Ben — July 22, 2008 @ 12:03 pm

  6. Fascinating. This is the first I had heard about it. At this point I’m pretty skeptical; to go from scratch to a freshman class of 50 in only a year, without the advantages SVU had (existing infrastructure, goodwill in the name, etc.), seems just about impossible. Whether they can make a go of it will depend largely on what kind of money they can attract; money can hide a world of other deficiencies.

    I wish it well and will watch its development with interest. Thanks for letting us know about it.

    Comment by Kevin Barney — July 22, 2008 @ 12:47 pm

  7. Yeah, I totally agree with Chris here (surprise, surprise). There are a lot of unanswered questions here.

    Comment by David G. — July 22, 2008 @ 12:55 pm

  8. David, you agree with Chris? Never! 🙂

    I just hope that there is a committment to true scholarship. If She Who Will Not Be Named is teaching courses on education and not history for example…

    Chris, you mention that you find it hard to imagine anyone wanting a degree from a Nauvoo U (Would it’s nickname be OO [EW] U?). If you’re talking in terms of students who are looking to get into academica like most of us, then I can see your point.

    However, I think the idea would have a lot of romantic appeal to Latter-day Saints who might be looking for an alternative to BYU and not too committed to academia, you know, like the majority of BYU students…

    Maybe they would do well to try first as a Jr. College instead of a full blown university?

    Comment by Jared T — July 22, 2008 @ 1:30 pm

  9. A Jr. College would make more sense. With the degrees they plan to offer (English, History, and General Education), I’m not sure who would want to go there. Since most BYU students I know that have no interest in academia go into business, medicine, or law, I can’t see the degrees offered by Nauvoo U. holding much appeal.

    Comment by Christopher — July 22, 2008 @ 1:35 pm

  10. I think they would be better off as a Junior College too, if they want to be realistic. I share a lot of the others questions here. No place to go…and who will come? I mean, even SVU, though not necessarily in a booming VA metropolis, is closer to “things” than Nauvoo is.

    Good luck Ivie, I say. But if we were a betting people, I’d put my money on a quiet retreat into obscurity within the year.

    Also: Ben. You totally outed her by simply saying “her”! Hah. It made me laugh. And think of something Don once said under his breath which also made me laugh…but maybe I’ll tell that to you later.

    Comment by Heidi — July 22, 2008 @ 1:44 pm

  11. Count me in as one who thinks a smaller step, like a Junior College, would be much more reasonable, at least for the first while. I share many of the concerns expressed here, specifically the lack of facilities.

    However, I don’t think funding will be a problem. It is my understanding that the early research has convinced them that they will have more than enough donations. I also agree with Jared that there will be a good amount of interest in going there, though I don’t know if it will be enough for a full-university (again, I agree with the Ju-Co idea, at least until they have a much broader curriculum beyond GS, English, and History).

    As the rest of you have pointed out, there are many, many questions still unanswered; this project is still very, very early. I agree that starting classes next fall is WAY too soon. But, I guess I still choose my “cautious optimism” because I really hope this will work.

    Comment by Ben — July 22, 2008 @ 1:54 pm

  12. Heidi: if the Don quote regarding She Who Will Not Be Named is regarding what a certain Prophet’s brother-in-law said, then I have already heard it. However, I have heard him say many things, and he is a fountain full of great quotes.

    Comment by Ben — July 22, 2008 @ 1:56 pm

  13. Good luck to the project, faculty, and students.

    BYU students might supplement NauvooU’s population on a rotating basis. That is, the same population that would have gone to “Semester in Nauvoo,” were it still available, could simply skip a term at BYU while studying at NVU and then return to Provo (presuming transferability of credits). The short-timers would provide extra cash and bodies to help get the school going at the beginning; I’m not sure how much help, though.

    Comment by Edje — July 22, 2008 @ 2:12 pm

  14. Edje: That is a very good idea, and I am sure it would help out at least in the begining. You would think that they would want to make some sort of study-abroad program a permanent thing so that they could increase their semester enrollment. But, maybe they would fear that too many people would just want to do a semester rather than enroll full-time.

    But I do think they should try for some kind of agreement between other LDS schools.

    Comment by Ben — July 22, 2008 @ 2:40 pm

  15. Also: I’m confused about the description of the announced faculty. I’ve never had any dealings with any of them and can’t recall ever reading any of their work, so I can’t comment on the accuracy of the assessment in the post or comments. Further, I acknowledge that the faculty’s abilities and reputation are essential questions for this topic. But… couldn’t we have just said, “NVU has yet to attract any first-rate research scholars” or “The putative History professor does not have a Ph.D.” and left it at that? What is the value added in going further?

    Comment by Edje — July 22, 2008 @ 2:41 pm

  16. Accreditation will be rigorously pursued and will be retroactive when granted. Classes will be structured to assist in credit transfer.

    How does this usually work? Do liberal arts colleges start out without accreditation and then get it later? I really can’t see many students lining up to get into a school that may not get accredited.

    Comment by David G. — July 22, 2008 @ 3:37 pm

  17. David: It appears that most liberal arts colleges do exactly that: start out for a few years before getting accredited. SVU, for example, began in ’96 but didnt get accredidation until 2000.

    Comment by Ben — July 22, 2008 @ 3:43 pm

  18. I really can?t see many students lining up to get into a school that may not get accredited.

    You would be surprised how many students never ask.

    Comment by SC Taysom — July 22, 2008 @ 3:58 pm

  19. #15, inside joke, sorry.

    Ben, or anyone, do you have any sense for what the failure rate is for getting accreditation? That really would *suck* to go to school for four years and then, oops.

    SCT, you’re probably right, I certainly never thought to wonder about that when I was applying for my freshman year at BYU.

    Comment by Jared T — July 22, 2008 @ 4:00 pm

  20. SC: Great point. I’m sure that principle also plays into why students in general would choose a small up-start school like Nauvoo U would be: They don’t think about much beyond the fact that it would be cool to study there.

    Jared: No clue, but I agree that it would suck if you study there and accredidation didn’t come. However, I am sure failure would result in more attempts with different accreditors.

    Comment by Ben — July 22, 2008 @ 4:21 pm

  21. I agree with those who said money will be the biggest obstacle. In terms of the macro-economy, probably not a good time to start a brand new university if you are looking for big donations. Without dedicated facilities or a library, chances of accreditation are slim to none. However, I think there is hope that if the BYU campuses continue to refuse to increase their enrollment numbers, more and more LDS students will start looking for alternatives like these.

    The aforementioned and much-maligned “professor” (SEB, let those with ears to hear, hear) was invited to speak to a group of LDS students at my college. It was a disaster. Lets just say that while many students, maybe the wrong kind of students, thought much of her as a teacher qua teacher, her particular scholarly reputation is well-deserved.

    Comment by AHLDuke — July 23, 2008 @ 8:00 am

  22. Just to be clear, SVU’s accreditation is through a national liberal arts association, NOT the universally recognized regional accreditation (Western, Southern, etc.) accreditation most assume. Our daughter and son-in-law had wonderful experiences at SVU, but their degrees have not neen accepted at a number of graduate programs, including the U of Georgia and Utah State. SVU has our support, but even with their “advantages” as noted here, it’s too early to declare SVU an unqualified success.

    Comment by J. Michael — July 23, 2008 @ 8:51 am

  23. Wow. Thanks for your take, J. Michael. As I mentioned before, that’s not something I thought to look into in applying to schools as a freshman. If you don’t mind me asking, did the realization that the degrees wouldn’t be accepted at these universities come as a shock or did you go into it knowing that this might happen? What have your s-i-l and daughter ended up doing?

    Comment by Jared T — July 23, 2008 @ 9:39 am

  24. Jared T. –

    My daughter and her husband enrolled at SVU fall 2001. We knew they were not yet accredited, but they had a timetable for achieving accreditation that seemed realistic. The initial “pre-approval” assessment from the Southern Association indicated weak long-term financials and a sub-standard library. The library problem was quickly remedied (by purchasing the library of a college that was closing) and SVU obtained accreditation through the American Academy for Liberal Education, which satisfied the federal government’s requirements for financial aid. A new timetable for regional accreditation was disseminated. However, it waw never accomplished before our kids graduated, and I note SVU’s web site no longer mentions it.

    At the completion of her mission, our daughter considered teansferring to Utah State or BYU. Neither school would commit to accept all (or any) of her credits, requiring her to visit the head of each academic dept individually for approval, course by course. Ultimately, she returned to SVU and graduated. Her husband applied to graduate schools (public health – his BS is in Biology) at U of Georgia and BYU. BYU waffled, UGA said nope because of SVU’s accreditation. Daughter applied to grad programs at USU and UGA with same result (her degree is in English). BTW, they both had GPAs north of 3.4.

    Today they are happily employed and looking at grad school options for the future. On-line programs may end up being their decision, although some good resident programs have been encouraging. They have no regrets. I’m happy to no longer write those big checks. To be fair, I’m not a faculty or staff member and have no “inside info” on the decisions made at SVU or their current status. I just think that those considering Nauvoo and looking to SVU as the standard should realize the road will not be smooth. I believe SVU has benefited from a superior business plan, and I do not think it can fairly be said that they are out of the woods yet.

    Comment by J. Michael — July 23, 2008 @ 10:22 am

  25. AHL: You bring up good points. I am especially intrigued by your idea that if BYU doesn’t increase their enrollment, more universities will be needed. Your caution on financial support is very applicable, as well.

    J. Michael: Thank you for you imput: those types of experiences definitely need to be known in these kinds of discussions. I’m glad to hear everything turned out well for your kids, but it is sobering to hear the “un-smooth” waters that still exist at institutions like SVU.

    Comment by Ben — July 23, 2008 @ 10:31 am

  26. What’s next, the Kirtland School of Finance and Banking?

    Comment by John Turner — July 23, 2008 @ 10:52 am

  27. Yikes, John.

    Comment by David G. — July 23, 2008 @ 10:53 am

  28. #26. Hahahahahaha.

    Comment by Christopher — July 23, 2008 @ 11:14 am

  29. Haha…good one, John.

    Comment by Jared T — July 23, 2008 @ 11:14 am

  30. From the Deseret News article talking about the motivations for the university…

    Both Ivie and Robison say they’re concerned about young Latter-day Saints who don’t get into LDS-owned schools and eventually find themselves outside the church looking in….”We can create the right environment for them, where they don’t have atheists and antagonistic teachers and classes and subjects antagonistic to testimony,” Ivie said.

    Comment by Jared T — July 23, 2008 @ 11:26 am

  31. Yeah, that excerpt stuck out to me, too. I don’t think I’d mention that motivation to the accreditation board.

    Comment by Christopher — July 23, 2008 @ 11:32 am

  32. I think you may all be surprised at the level of detail that is coming. Yes there are many hurdles ahead but they are working on them feverishly. 2009 is a goal that may or may not happen but we all know we need goals. Dr Ivie is a great man and he and the group are really trying to do the right thing.

    Comment by David M — July 23, 2008 @ 1:34 pm

  33. To inject a little historical perspective to this discussion (this is a history blog after all):

    Back in the 30s, the Church divested itself of a couple of colleges that it had formerly been operating- including Snow College and Weber State (Ricks was the only one it kept, and that simply because the state of Idaho would not take it). Ernest Wilkinson had a plan to create LDS junior colleges (mini-BYUs) all over the country. Because of financial difficulties, the Church did not proceed with such a plan and opted instead for creating Institutes of Religion close to many college campuses (this was actually Elder Packer’s idea).

    It seems like the move to create a Nauvoo University (and the corresponding one in Nevada) are essentially a revival of the Wilkinson plan. The Church might be in better financial shape than in the 50s and 60s (though BYU already drains a tremendous amount of resources), but the Church, according to Deseret News, has shown no interest in being part of these ventures. At least for the foreseeable future, these institutions would be little more than junior colleges. Its been 40 or 50 years since these decisions were made, so they might be worth revisiting. However, as someone who has attended a non-LDS institution that has a strong Institute program, it has been more than sufficient to meet both my academic and spiritual needs.

    It may be time to prepare our youth for a future where going to BYU or even BYU-I is not only NOT a birthright as a Latter-day Saint, but also not terribly likely, given the numbers and the limits on enrollment. More and more youth will have to attend non-LDS institutions, and that’s OK. It is not necessarily the Church’s responsibility to prepare them for this inevitability, and parents will have to shoulder the primary burden on this, but the youth programs might want to reorient themselves slightly towards this goal.

    Comment by AHLDuke — July 23, 2008 @ 1:49 pm

  34. I don?t think I?d mention that motivation to the accreditation board.

    Add this to the long list of comments I wish I had made.

    Comment by SC Taysom — July 23, 2008 @ 2:25 pm

  35. Good luck finding the money.

    If the main competition for students is with BYU, and the tuition at BYU continues to be heavily subsidized by the Church, what chance has the new place (whether SVU or NU or DVA) without a huge endowment that would help them match the Church subsidy?

    Comment by Mark B. — July 23, 2008 @ 5:24 pm

  36. Their website says that they will use ?existing facilities? while aiming to ?start a building program as soon as possible,? but I have no idea what these ?existing facilities? are.

    I’m thinking Nauvoo Family Motel. It has enough room in the off season. It has the equivalent of classrooms and a cafeteria, and can house the students all in one place. It’s also owned by a church member. If they can work out the details, it’s a win-win.

    Why did BYU decide to do away with the semester program at Nauvoo? What’s going to be built in the place of the old building?

    AHL, what went wrong with SEB’s presentation at your school?

    Comment by RG — July 23, 2008 @ 7:13 pm

  37. RG, she was invited to give a presentation on Joseph Smith to a mixed audience of members and non-members. Her presentation ended up being on how the number of times that the words “Jesus” and “Christ” appear in the Book of Mormon proves that it testifies of Christ. Basically it turned out to be a fireside, or a devotional. Luckily, there were not as many non-members as we had hoped so our embarrassment was kept to a minimum. In retrospect, we should have done a little more homework and asked her for a better idea of what she might present, etc. Several of my friends told me what a great teacher she was at BYU and how much they enjoyed her classes. Maybe I have the wrong friends? We only later learned of her reputation as a scholar, or lack thereof.

    Comment by AHLDuke — July 23, 2008 @ 7:48 pm

  38. Okay, enlighten the ignoramus: what’s the story with SEB?

    Comment by rp — July 23, 2008 @ 7:57 pm

  39. #24, J. Michael, I just saw your reply up there. Somehow I missed it. Thank you for the run down, and I too am glad things are working out. I’m glad you brought this up.

    #38 Do you mean who is SEB or what’s SEB’s problem?

    Comment by Jared T — July 23, 2008 @ 8:45 pm

  40. I mean what’s SEB’s problem.

    Comment by rp — July 23, 2008 @ 8:50 pm

  41. I don’t know, rp. I just don’t know.

    Comment by Jared T — July 23, 2008 @ 9:18 pm

  42. rp,
    SEB’s “problem” is pretty well laid out in the story AHLDuke shares in #37.

    Comment by Christopher — July 23, 2008 @ 9:23 pm

  43. RG: There are several possible reasons the Church stopped the BYU semester problem. First, the building was REALLY run down and had many, many problems. Second, and probably most reasonable, the Church has been wanting to stop “study-abroad” programs in all but a few cases.

    Also, I have heard from a reasonable source that Pres. Hinckley didn’t like how the Joseph Smith Academy blocked the view of the river from the temple.

    They have proposed the idea of building a new set of dorms to house Nauvoo Pageant people as well as an auditorium for various functions, but potential sites and timeframes have not come close to being settled (as far as I know, anyway).

    Comment by Ben — July 23, 2008 @ 9:36 pm

  44. I have heard the same things about the Nauvoo buildings as Ben. I heard them from missionaries in Nauvoo. That doesn’t mean that they are 100% true, but I have no reason to disbelieve them either.

    Comment by Joel — July 23, 2008 @ 10:06 pm

  45. What’s this about the church wanting to stop study-abroad programs?

    Comment by RG — July 23, 2008 @ 11:04 pm

  46. RG: Not sure. That is just what the commissioner of education told Ivie when he was trying to set up the Nauvoo program again.

    Joel: My info came from Pres. Hinckley’s grandson, so while still not official, it pulls a little bit of weight 🙂

    Comment by Ben — July 23, 2008 @ 11:46 pm

  47. After poking around online my sense is that “study abroad” programs through BYU have actually increased in number (at least there are many more programs offered now then when I was a student there).

    The related arm of “BYU Travel Study”, which was administered through Continuing Education, however was closed down in 2004. They administered the Nauvoo and Jerusalem programs (as well as a series of tours). It seems that they still handle the Jerusalem program, or at least the main page for the Jerusalem program is still hosted off of their site. This is also why the Jerusalem Center programs are not listed off of the Kennedy Center’s website where all the other study abroad programs are.

    I’m not sure what the original distinction between “study abroad” and “Travel Study” were, does anyone have an idea?

    This Desert News article explains the closing of BYU Travel Study, but the justification has no bearing on the Nauvoo program.,1249,595069913,00.html

    Comment by RG — July 24, 2008 @ 7:27 am

  48. Thanks for digging that up and clarifying the “study abroad” vs. “travel study” labels, RG.

    Comment by Ben — July 24, 2008 @ 10:31 am

  49. I am coming into this discussion a little late. I wish this venture well. As a six year employee of Western Governors University I am not in the least bit worried about Nauvoo University’s accreditation battle. All new schools face that. I doubt North Central will even care much about the motives of the owners. They could approach the accrediting body with their testimonies on their sleeves and it wouldn’t matter one way or the other. The representatives from North Central would simply say, “Great, touching! Now what percentage of your instructors have PhD’s, Masters, etc? Who develops your courses and what approach do they take, etc?” For reasons I won’t get into now, they are lucky to be in the North Central region.

    Likewise, name recognition doesn’t really amount to much unless you are getting a J.D. or becoming a M.D. Six years ago, my current employer was almost completely unknown. Last month, WGU was featured in Time magazine. It only comes with time and exposure and some well known graduates like the V.P. of NASA. Nauvoo University will get there too. The students who will be attending NU will not be too worried about name recognition.

    Funding will be a major obstacle. Good luck with that right now.

    Comment by Randy — December 30, 2008 @ 10:47 pm

  50. Likewise, name recognition doesn?t really amount to much unless you are getting a J.D. or becoming a M.D.

    Or an MA. Or a PhD. Or any other graduate degree.

    The students who will be attending NU will not be too worried about name recognition.

    Except, of course, for the ones getting a J.D. Or an M.D. Or a MA. Or a PhD. Or any other graduate degree.

    Last month, WGU was featured in Time magazine.

    For every small start-up college that gets featured by Time, I’d be willing to bet there is 20 that don’t survive.

    Comment by Christopher — December 30, 2008 @ 11:06 pm

  51. I’m glad you still feel so optimistic about the venture, Chris 😉

    Thanks for weighing in, Randy. I think you bring up some great points. While students planning on going on to a JD, MD, MA, or PhD may not be attracted to such a school, the majority of college students are not looking for a graduate degree and would really appreciate a school like NU is rounding out to be.

    I haven’t talked to the NU folk in a couple of weeks, but all I have heard the last few months have been positive: they have gotten a lot of land donated to them, their faculty is coming together nicely, and they have been receiving better-than-expected interest. Their website is currently down because they are waiting for some final paperwork with the state before they can become completely official. So far, Dr. Ivie has taken great caution in what he has done.

    It’s still very early, but things are still looking bright.

    Comment by Ben — December 30, 2008 @ 11:34 pm

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